This game does not feel like an incremental Literally everytime an upgrade comes ,the next enemies show up that you are still to weak to beat, forcing you to leave rinse and repeat for every fight on the goblin path
you should add the made with ai tag, because of the art. Seems like a cool game, found it through the drawing tag and played for a bit, but after looking at the credits, pretty sad to see the art isn't actually drawn at all. would love to give it another try once there's no ai.
Its a free title. Not sure what you expect of the developer to do, as hiring an artist is expensive and if they aren't recouping their costs, why shouldn't they be allowed to use AI art?
They're not asking the person to take it down, but it's kind of false advertising to tag it with "drawing" when there was no drawing involved. And they're just asking them to tag it with "AI art" so that people know that the art was made with AI.
Well, tried off and on for a week now, and haven't gotten any further than the first fights in Arena. So I'm permanently stuck and I just don't have the time to beat myself over the dead over and over to "hope" I get lucky in an arena tier 2 fight to get more progression. So with that in mind some further suggestions:
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1) An offline download version. Play at my own pace without worry over accidentally deleting cache. And well, I wrote this today because well, I cleared out the cache and did end up deleting all my progress, so I'd have to restart from scratch in Chapter 1... which I am not doing.
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2) Paying for knowledge at the Orc Shaman. Say in exchange for demon souls, they tell us how to unlock things, where to find individuals (ie Goblin Tinker), and other stuff. Basically an ingame "hint" system, that gets more expensive with each purchase of knowledge. Great for us that don't always have tons of time and are hopelessly stuck and need a hint.
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3) Some other upgrade ideas:
-> Improving the benefit reward for finding things. So say the Ghost Drake normally gives +20 spirit. This upgrade could boost that say all the way to +30 spirit.
-> The ability to redo a section once. So you go Mind path once. Then you have the option to redo Mind, but take a different set of choices.
-> An upgrade that converts excess hit chance above 100, into critical hit chance.
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4) Allowing us to spend demon souls without entering chapter 2. Do it at same time as spending SP.
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5) New special abilities for races:
-> Vampire = Suck blood; gain a bunch of blood from a non-undead corpse, but takes time to do so; thus spirit drains while doing it.
-> Werewolf = Scent of Blood; gain increased hit/crit chance the lower an enemy's health is.
-> Ogre = Too Stupid to Care; chance to not suffer sanity or spirit damage.
-> In terms of overall progress = Done 8 cycles. Haven't beaten big bad boss yet. Have killed the Troll, Dark Orc, and Dryad though.
-> A lot of the choices feel too "binary". There always feels to be a more ideal choice of all the options available at multi-choice sections.
-> As an example, once in the Study, there is no real value to choosing the chest. All three items on the table are just plain better. But, I usually choose the map most of the time, as the dagger is only really good when upgraded a lot or you are playing Goblin and the potion, is only 10 sanity, and once you get at least 1 ooze run done, sanity is hardly ever that critical.
-> Some upgrades with SP aren't reflected in the stats on the screen. ie Wolf Sprint upgrades aren't added. Also, wolf sprint unlocked from a fight, not sure which, also isn't reflected.
-> Some SP upgrades are poorly worded. Like the training room buff; all it does is automate everything; I thought it would buff up the things a bit more, like +10 more books to read or something.
-> You earn nothing, other than corrosive touch, when becoming an Ooze. Unless that thing mentioned with the Dark Orc death, is something the Ooze can do (killed it with a wolf).
-> Only the bat's abilities get buffed by SP. The wolf's unholy paw gets no specific upgrades.
-> The cost for SP upgrades increases way faster than your ability to earn SP... even with you using the discount for a specific class. Like Rupture (wolf) is only at 2/20, and it costs 12 SP, which is like 1/3rd my points right now.
-> Some classes feel much more well thought out. Goblin is by far the weakest of the bunch, and its great for a 1st or 2nd run, but after that, its SP upgrades aren't great and it has lower survival rates than all other classes.
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Lots of bugs:
-> Sometimes have to fight the skeleton twice.
-> The magic dagger doesn't benefit from Goblin dryad upgrade or from dipping into spider poison. May not even get Goblin SP upgrades to daggers either.
-> No one can use the glowing altar. Tried with all classes.
-> If you have the SP for auto clockwork and such, it still consumes the blood needed to normally unlock them, the moment it becomes unlocked.
-> If you visit living quarters and then go upstairs, you lose out on all the Imps.
-> Ooze has no unlocks, unlike all other classes that gets something from Deep Thoughts.
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I have suggestions for improving gameplay, but if the author doesn't really visit here often, not sure there is value in posting them if they don't see them.
-> Played way too much of it, now on cycle 67. Took me until cycle 31 to defeat the gargoyle and cycle 43 to defeat Legion (barely with Ooze+Bat). Have done a few chapter 2 runs but not enough yet to get very far.
-> In terms of class balance, Wolf is weakest, Goblin second weakest (if choosing wolf), Goblin third (if choosing bat), Ooze (if choosing wolf) fourth, Bat is second strongest, and Ooze (if choosing bat) is strongest. So I'd suggest looking at ways of buffing both Goblin and Wolf; these two struggled the most to defeat Legion, whereas I can auto-kill Legion with Bat, or Ooze (turn on the optional goblin unlock for straight forward).
-> The magic dagger is by far the weakest Study item initially, but after a lot of upgrades, it is the strongest. The red potion is strongest initially, but once you unlock rat absorption it becomes useless. The map is one I used a lot until the dagger had sufficient upgrades to it.
-> Goblin bombs are next to useless. They take forever to be thrown and doesn't offset their weak damage, unless you critically hit. I usually see only one used per fight with high hp enemies. But the Bat's special attacks will do amazing damage with its critical multiplier.
-> The Wolf really needs a better Dryad upgrade than -5 explore speed. Also these upgrades are only useful in the early game, but once you get a few rat/bat absorptions, they are totally useless and not worth the XP loss.
-> Wikipedia upgrade is honestly super weak for the cost it has. The ooze ones that improve XP (digestion) for rat/bat/imp, are far superior. Its good for early game, but after that I've not spent many points into it.
-> Soul Sponge is also fairly weak for the cost to upgrade it. Late game, you either get the demon upgrade for SP for XP gains or selling demon souls to get SP, so this thing at 400 maximum investment isn't likely to get much improvement past 60 something points invested, as even later game, you are saving up SP for the Master Time speed thing.
-> Repulsive Odor has no real impact on Chapter 2 fights, despite timers being a huge thing in Chapter 1. Maybe have it slow down enemy attacks, so that they aren't hitting as often to damage your blood/sanity/spirit.
-> Straight-Forward needs to be tweaked.
A) Middle is often the worst option to be taken in terms of XP gains. Like sure maybe don't do the Orc Warlord, but at least auto-grab the Tome of Knowledge. Its especially bad as the bat can skip the fights by choosing messhall if done manually.
B) Fight (study) at least grab the dagger. It is a neutral choice early game and a super choice lategame.
C) Leave (fork) when you have chapter 2 unlocked, it does pause to choose chapter 2. But the thing is, the first fork here, lets you attack the spider and if playing as wolf or goblin, that is a really good power boosters for them that makes/breaks them if they skip it.
D) Decline; if say under 10% of the xp needed for the level, let them take the class specific option. Again, for bat, goblin or ooze, this is a gamechanger.
E) Cross/Shortcut; Stops here for most classes. Yes most have no choice but to cross, but the bat can bypass it, and it doesn't auto-choose this.
F) Shortcut; Stops here for most classes. Wolf can dive under, but doesn't auto-choose this. Most either have to fight the troll (usually smart if have the dps) or take on the basilisk.
G) Lie; only works for Goblin and again doesn't dive under for Wolf.
-> Blood Depot should honestly be changed. Instead of increasing the amount per tick, it should make the action go faster. When doing Wolf auto-mode, it rarely hits above rank 20 out of 50. Even when playing manually, I think the highest I saw it get was 45 / 50.
-> It really needs to pause the spirit countdown, between fights. I just can't read that fast to make travel decisions and so lose 3-4 spirit trying to read things quickly and then make a decision.
Bugs:
-> Sometimes based on options chosen, the attack rat / bat / imp disappears so you don't actually know how many are left to be killed before selecting an option.
-> Viscosity/Fluidity does not affect any options chosen in Chapter 2.
-> Guerilla does not affect any fights in Chapter 2, and as most of the fights can't be avoided until reaching a "fork", it should automatically do them, as I often lose 0.5 to 1.5 spirit taking the time to click on attack button.
-> Enemies with no armor to begin with, have no armor icons. Those that had armor reduced to 0 still shows the icon, but with no number over the icon. Even when you reduce both armors to 0.
-> If you have 0 demon souls, you can enter chapter 2 without paying anything, but if you have at least 1 DS, you have to spend it to enter.
-> If you buy Spirit Charm, its not applied for this run of chapter 2, only successive runs later.
-> You cannot buy or sell demon souls, unless you visit chapter 2. Not even at run end, when spending your SP.
-> I got Aspiration Band, which says +0.1 per level up. I think its a typo, because my current DS is 2.49. So, it might supposed to read as +0.01 per level up.
-> I got Demon Ring, upgraded to rank 3. I should earn +3 DS after a run of Chapter 2, but I only earn +1 DS. ... UNLESS you don't earn DS if you suffer a Mortal Wound, not sure if that is related to this or not.
-> Having multiple Demon Ring, Black Soul Gem, or such, doesn't give me more uses at the Soul Well, OR... makes it faster to generate the resources at the Soul Well.
-> I went to the Centipede area, to try to reach that chest there. I saw that they were hitting some good hits on Blood. Then when I was at about 500 max blood (down from like 1200 that I started with at the start of Chapter 2), I got a popup saying I received a mortal wound and then died. I thought that was only supposed to happen if I had my blood/sanity/spirit drained to 0 or less by an attack in Chapter 2.
EDIT:
-> Also, if you buy one of the optional upgrades (ie I am goblin) and turn it off, you can buy it again for 0 cost during that browser being opened. But when you close the browser, any of these that got disabled, you have to pay full SP cost to unlock them again. Really irritating for Straight Forward having to rebuy that one.
-> On cycle 77. Upgraded almost everything to maximum (except for master time at 0/2000).
-> Cannot progress much in Chapter 2. Chose the "best" attack package of Bat + Dagger, and keep getting mortal wounds. I fought against Snappy, brought its armor down to 0 for magic attacks, so acid spit (at 12x crit multiplier) and magic dagger would do great damage, and it killed me at about 400 hp left, with maxxed out rat/bat populations and maxxed out absorption for blood/sanity.
-> I don't think I'm enjoying this at all anymore, so I'm going to stop playing now.
-> Also looking at the side screen showing off Snappy (on this itch page), how did you get Acid Spit to 39 damage? Mine is maxed out at 9 damage and 0 sanity. Alos how is your blood at 5000, when mine caps out around 1500?
-> Clearly I'm doing something wrong, not sure what, and with no documentation or helpful tips, I'm throwing in the towel and giving up.
-> If you want those suggestions, reply to one/all of these, and I'll keep them on my machine for a month or so, then delete them if I hear nothing.
-> Decided to give it one more chance, and now at cycle 102. Everything is maxxed out except Master Time (41/200) and Foul Odor (71/100).
-> Maxxed out everything in Trinkets for Demon Souls. Unlocked both Vampire and Werewolf. Haven't figured out what Goblin unlocks. Not maxxed out Vampire or Werewolf yet.
-> Chapter 2 is very mazelike and I'm slowly starting to understand how it works and what class specific shortcuts skips what content.
-> Vampire's raise skeleton ability seems to be quite weak, or I'm using it wrong (ie I killed the skeletal mage and raised it).
-> Why does the Werewolf's Blood Boil have 30 ranks, but the Vampire's Intelligence only has 6 ranks, when sanity regen is far more valuable for most classes?
-> Not sure the point of the Vampire's Soul Magnet. By the time I could afford it I was making so much SP and DS from other effects, that I stopped draining wells, especially as the wells don't give much SP or DS.
-> Vampire's Mind Shield gets insanely expensive despite it only reducing sanity damage by 1 point... and there are plenty of foes that hit for 100+ base sanity damage already.
-> By becoming a Vampire, you lose the ability to sonic shout at Snappy, which is super unfair, as even with maxed out armor reduction effects, he still has 60/60 armor types.
-> Werewolf's Hurtle effect doesn't always seem to work. I'm at rank 10, and some journey options still require the same amount of time, as it did before I grabbed them.
-> Werewolf's Ancestral Dreams is very useful in Chapter 1 to progress back to the Chapter 2 start point, by grabbing specific objects, but in Chapter 2 its worse than useless. The reason is, any time you take a recall stone, any choices you make there, is what supercedes the dream path. So if you first went say Mind, got to the recall and then went Spirit, and say died by fighting the ogre, then the next Ancestral dream will not go Mind, but instead will go Spirit and take the same choices... even the one that might have gotten you killed. And thus attack the ogre again.
-> Werewolf's Ancestral Trance doesn't work. I still have all the story screens in Chapter 2 when its active.
-> Werewolf's Dismember is a choice you HAVE to make before attacking and once you do and retreat, you can't actually fully retreat. So you are locked into a death battle for whoever wins.
-> Many enemies hit for way too much blood damage and its totally unavoidable. Those that hit for spirit damage are downright broken (ie the Heretics).
-> Not having Sonic Wave for Bats, is a major loss of DPS. Whereas both Goblins and Wolves still get their DPS boost from the Spider's Blood.
-> There are way too many instances of where you have to pay a Spirit toll, that is your only viable option as fighting is too hard, but the spirit cost is so high that you'll probably die from Spirit loss if you take the option, BUT... you can't backtrack to avoid many of these tolls, so you are stuck doing them.
-> I have not been able to beat any of the Arena first wave foes. I have no idea how to get into the Runic Doors. There is several instances of "deadends" right before the Arena, that I'm sure are important, but tested with all three characters, and got nothing (plus vampire and werewolf). Snappy is too tough and Heretics keep turbo-blasting my spirit to oblivion. I may be approaching a situation of being stuck again.
-> Really wish more things we gain, were permanent unlocks. Like the centepede hole chest, is so hard to get, and yet the dagger is only slightly better than silver dagger. Or the amulet you buy from the dark elf.
-> We really need a way to dodge attacks or block them or something. So many attacks deal massive damage and I've yet to encounter a foe that uses the old timed system (foul odor that improves time of).
-> Some options for avoiding fights makes no sense. Like the Dusk Orc for Goblins. By the point that you can do Chapter 2, its worth it killing the Dusk Orc. Using his ability only gives you 500 xp.
Bugs:
-> You can redo certain actions when you do a recall. For example, you can befriend the Witch multiple times, each time earning you 1000 xp OR you can free the animals multiple times for 2000 xp each time.
-> These special events that grant flat xp, do not benefit from the Wikipedia effect. Its always that amount.
-> I've had some fights where an enemy deals spirit damage, but yet doesn't kill me. ie the Fairies in mushroom forest. I'm down to 13 spirit, they hit for 15 spirit, and yet I don't get spirited away.
-> I've had some fights where I had at least 500 remaining blood or sanity, and suffered a Mortal Wound or Insanity, despite the attack that killed me, didn't deal 500+ damage.
-> Both insanity and Mortal Wounds do not pay out the Demon Souls for end of life events. May not be a bug.
-> You cannot redo a section, once you've recalled from it. So you can't say do Mind, go to blacksmith, recall, and do Mind again and enter the centipede hole. So no backtracking in that sense. Not sure if bug or not.
-> SP earned via Black Soul Gem, isn't tallied up in the end of run SP earned screen.
-> I think the Vampire's Spirit Burn is bugged. It only restores current sanity. But for the cost of 10 spirit, I'd only consider using it in an absolute emergency as it currently stands. If it increased max sanity as well as current sanity, then it would still be situational, but at least useful.
-> I think the area beyond Snappy is bugged. I barely beat Snappy with the Bat. Got to the grate, chose to use brute force. I followed it, and ended up at Witch. Was I supposed to dissolve my form instead?
-> I feel quite stuck at the moment. There is probably paths I've not fully explored, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere.
-> Not sure what Master Time actually does. I'm at 63/200, and it doesn't seem to do anything.
-> I barely managed to defeat Snappy as Bat. Beyond it, I think this area is bugged... or this is where Chapter 3 starts. Regardless, either breaking the grate or reverting to form, just results in me ending up at the Witch.
-> I did manage to figure out how to get the Goblin unlock, Ogre. Which really seems like the worst of the three new classes.
-> I have not been able to do much of anything in the Soul section. The adventurers kick my ass and the heretics obliterate my spirit.
-> So in terms of weapons, Sword is best if you don't take Goblin and don't care to become a Vampire. If you take Goblin, Carapace dagger is best, but its a PITA to get through the centepede hole to grab it. Otherwise, silver dagger is for the bat. But oddly enough all of them are physical damage attacks.
-> I still haven't found any keys, or beat any of the Arena fights, despite heavily investing in Werewolf, Vampire and Ogre upgrades.
-> There are a lot of areas where I feel like I'm missing something. Like I found a big boulder that I blew up with goblin bombs, but then need 2500 blood, and the highest blood I've ever gotten to with various boosts found in places was 2300.
-> I still haven't managed to do stuff in the Snappy itch.io image on the main page, and get my Acid Spit to 39 damage; its still at 9.
-> I'm going to probably take a break for a few days, while I clean up my notes on each path, and see if there is an "ideal" path to follow that might get me powerful enough to take on first arena fight.
-> I have given up and won't be playing this further.
-> I have almost all the Vampire, Werewolf, and Ogre upgrades, and I'm not progressing at all. Master time is at 90/200 and doesn't appear to do anything.
-> I cannot defeat any Arena fights, from any of the doors.
-> I cannot defeat the adventuring party, to unlock 4th class.
-> I cannot open any of the Runic Doors.
-> I've thoroughly explored each area as both Good/Evil, with each class, and I'm not seeing anything special.
-> I have no idea how to progress further. I checked online, found a post on a subreddit mentioning a few things that I've not uncovered. Something about Unholy Blood, a grate to find a Goblin Tinker, and a way that you can actually use the Meteoric Hammer.
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I wish you the best of luck with the project, but I am now so disgusted with the game, that I may not ever play it again. I spent so much time trying to find a way to progress and got nothing to show for it.
If you want my list of suggestions, I'll provide them, otherwise, I'm out of here.
Question: How does battle work? Just got introduced to combat somewhat recently, and it seems like I can't die because I attack things but they don't attack me back??? Is this a glitch or do I just need to wait to fight stronger enemies before I can actually get hurt?
Basic enemies just take time for you to whittle their HP down to win. Later you will encounter time-based enemies that requires you to defeat them within a time limit, or risk losing XP. And much further in the game, you will encounter enemies where combat damage will actually kill you (end cycle).
I FINALLY GOT THE HANG OF IT AND WAS DOING SO GOOD AND THEN MY GAME FROZE SO I REFRESHED THE PAGE AND NOW I LOST IT ALL!!! PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT BACK
Not unless you have done any previous backup. Try to follow the Reddit thread or Discord. You can mention at what stage you are stuck at, some players can share save codes of similar progress.
Or even just an interest system that makes it where you earn more during your run if you save up just something to help with grinding up those points, the game is so fun but I am struggling
Got it, and love it but I cant seem to find any of the other class's aside from werewolf any hints at least because the werewolf is amazing but it's upgrades alone aren't cutting it
Alright I said that then i managed to find the vampire but i only got it the once and now i cant manage to get it again without dying if there are more classes id love to know and a hint how to get them but i am struggling again
Ok, I am going to say that it is weird that in *Second chapter Spirit drains when no action is being performed (basically asking the player to always be ready to press Pause to actually think about what to do next) and especially so while doing stuff that states that it will consume Spirit
(+1 DS for 5 Spirit sound great until you realise that it really is 5+14 Spirit even with all Ooze time upgrades...)
Also a bug - "Carapace dagger" gets damage bonus from "Rupture" but not "Dagger Master" for some reason (and is slower than "Magic Dagger" even after being described as 'unnervingly light')
Yes, juggling with Spirit drain is one of the game mechanic that player will have to overcome, until they are able to unlock new upgrade/mechanic to bypass this hurdle.
If you are referring to soul wells, upgrades will help to increase the draw faster. You will be able to finish 10 draws under 1 second later.
With the speed upgrades later, all daggers will eventually be the same 0.5s speed.
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game suddenly crash, reset and lossed all my progress....
my fault for not saving, but still
I am done, good game. But it seems a bit luck base
even with max upgrade, some runs fail, some run passed
same decision but different outcomes
Can we have an upgrade that allow us to automatically travel to the legion boss
so far, its possible only with goblin class
but would be nice for the other class
or instead, make it a utility upgrade instead
Question: Is there a way to unlock whatever is going with the Glowing Alter?
It's chapter 2 which you need an demon soul to progress.
you can get an demon soul by killing legion/final boss in chapter one
thx
I hope you make more games like this.
also when is chapter 3 coming .
This game does not feel like an incremental
Literally everytime an upgrade comes ,the next enemies show up that you are still to weak to beat, forcing you to leave
rinse and repeat for every fight on the goblin path
you should add the made with ai tag, because of the art. Seems like a cool game, found it through the drawing tag and played for a bit, but after looking at the credits, pretty sad to see the art isn't actually drawn at all. would love to give it another try once there's no ai.
Its a free title. Not sure what you expect of the developer to do, as hiring an artist is expensive and if they aren't recouping their costs, why shouldn't they be allowed to use AI art?
They're not asking the person to take it down, but it's kind of false advertising to tag it with "drawing" when there was no drawing involved. And they're just asking them to tag it with "AI art" so that people know that the art was made with AI.
Good gorge, your choice of thematic music has been haunting me.
Well, tried off and on for a week now, and haven't gotten any further than the first fights in Arena. So I'm permanently stuck and I just don't have the time to beat myself over the dead over and over to "hope" I get lucky in an arena tier 2 fight to get more progression. So with that in mind some further suggestions:
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1) An offline download version. Play at my own pace without worry over accidentally deleting cache. And well, I wrote this today because well, I cleared out the cache and did end up deleting all my progress, so I'd have to restart from scratch in Chapter 1... which I am not doing.
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2) Paying for knowledge at the Orc Shaman. Say in exchange for demon souls, they tell us how to unlock things, where to find individuals (ie Goblin Tinker), and other stuff. Basically an ingame "hint" system, that gets more expensive with each purchase of knowledge. Great for us that don't always have tons of time and are hopelessly stuck and need a hint.
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3) Some other upgrade ideas:
-> Improving the benefit reward for finding things. So say the Ghost Drake normally gives +20 spirit. This upgrade could boost that say all the way to +30 spirit.
-> The ability to redo a section once. So you go Mind path once. Then you have the option to redo Mind, but take a different set of choices.
-> An upgrade that converts excess hit chance above 100, into critical hit chance.
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4) Allowing us to spend demon souls without entering chapter 2. Do it at same time as spending SP.
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5) New special abilities for races:
-> Vampire = Suck blood; gain a bunch of blood from a non-undead corpse, but takes time to do so; thus spirit drains while doing it.
-> Werewolf = Scent of Blood; gain increased hit/crit chance the lower an enemy's health is.
-> Ogre = Too Stupid to Care; chance to not suffer sanity or spirit damage.
Thanks for the feedback. Might consider adding in some of the new special abilities you suggested,
Cool. Game has potential for sure, will check out the next update when it drops. Till then, good luck!
Feedback on the game:
-> In terms of overall progress = Done 8 cycles. Haven't beaten big bad boss yet. Have killed the Troll, Dark Orc, and Dryad though.
-> A lot of the choices feel too "binary". There always feels to be a more ideal choice of all the options available at multi-choice sections.
-> As an example, once in the Study, there is no real value to choosing the chest. All three items on the table are just plain better. But, I usually choose the map most of the time, as the dagger is only really good when upgraded a lot or you are playing Goblin and the potion, is only 10 sanity, and once you get at least 1 ooze run done, sanity is hardly ever that critical.
-> Some upgrades with SP aren't reflected in the stats on the screen. ie Wolf Sprint upgrades aren't added. Also, wolf sprint unlocked from a fight, not sure which, also isn't reflected.
-> Some SP upgrades are poorly worded. Like the training room buff; all it does is automate everything; I thought it would buff up the things a bit more, like +10 more books to read or something.
-> You earn nothing, other than corrosive touch, when becoming an Ooze. Unless that thing mentioned with the Dark Orc death, is something the Ooze can do (killed it with a wolf).
-> Only the bat's abilities get buffed by SP. The wolf's unholy paw gets no specific upgrades.
-> The cost for SP upgrades increases way faster than your ability to earn SP... even with you using the discount for a specific class. Like Rupture (wolf) is only at 2/20, and it costs 12 SP, which is like 1/3rd my points right now.
-> Some classes feel much more well thought out. Goblin is by far the weakest of the bunch, and its great for a 1st or 2nd run, but after that, its SP upgrades aren't great and it has lower survival rates than all other classes.
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Lots of bugs:
-> Sometimes have to fight the skeleton twice.
-> The magic dagger doesn't benefit from Goblin dryad upgrade or from dipping into spider poison. May not even get Goblin SP upgrades to daggers either.
-> No one can use the glowing altar. Tried with all classes.
-> If you have the SP for auto clockwork and such, it still consumes the blood needed to normally unlock them, the moment it becomes unlocked.
-> If you visit living quarters and then go upstairs, you lose out on all the Imps.
-> Ooze has no unlocks, unlike all other classes that gets something from Deep Thoughts.
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I have suggestions for improving gameplay, but if the author doesn't really visit here often, not sure there is value in posting them if they don't see them.
Feedback pt2:
-> Played way too much of it, now on cycle 67. Took me until cycle 31 to defeat the gargoyle and cycle 43 to defeat Legion (barely with Ooze+Bat). Have done a few chapter 2 runs but not enough yet to get very far.
-> In terms of class balance, Wolf is weakest, Goblin second weakest (if choosing wolf), Goblin third (if choosing bat), Ooze (if choosing wolf) fourth, Bat is second strongest, and Ooze (if choosing bat) is strongest. So I'd suggest looking at ways of buffing both Goblin and Wolf; these two struggled the most to defeat Legion, whereas I can auto-kill Legion with Bat, or Ooze (turn on the optional goblin unlock for straight forward).
-> The magic dagger is by far the weakest Study item initially, but after a lot of upgrades, it is the strongest. The red potion is strongest initially, but once you unlock rat absorption it becomes useless. The map is one I used a lot until the dagger had sufficient upgrades to it.
-> Goblin bombs are next to useless. They take forever to be thrown and doesn't offset their weak damage, unless you critically hit. I usually see only one used per fight with high hp enemies. But the Bat's special attacks will do amazing damage with its critical multiplier.
-> The Wolf really needs a better Dryad upgrade than -5 explore speed. Also these upgrades are only useful in the early game, but once you get a few rat/bat absorptions, they are totally useless and not worth the XP loss.
-> Wikipedia upgrade is honestly super weak for the cost it has. The ooze ones that improve XP (digestion) for rat/bat/imp, are far superior. Its good for early game, but after that I've not spent many points into it.
-> Soul Sponge is also fairly weak for the cost to upgrade it. Late game, you either get the demon upgrade for SP for XP gains or selling demon souls to get SP, so this thing at 400 maximum investment isn't likely to get much improvement past 60 something points invested, as even later game, you are saving up SP for the Master Time speed thing.
-> Repulsive Odor has no real impact on Chapter 2 fights, despite timers being a huge thing in Chapter 1. Maybe have it slow down enemy attacks, so that they aren't hitting as often to damage your blood/sanity/spirit.
-> Straight-Forward needs to be tweaked.
A) Middle is often the worst option to be taken in terms of XP gains. Like sure maybe don't do the Orc Warlord, but at least auto-grab the Tome of Knowledge. Its especially bad as the bat can skip the fights by choosing messhall if done manually.
B) Fight (study) at least grab the dagger. It is a neutral choice early game and a super choice lategame.
C) Leave (fork) when you have chapter 2 unlocked, it does pause to choose chapter 2. But the thing is, the first fork here, lets you attack the spider and if playing as wolf or goblin, that is a really good power boosters for them that makes/breaks them if they skip it.
D) Decline; if say under 10% of the xp needed for the level, let them take the class specific option. Again, for bat, goblin or ooze, this is a gamechanger.
E) Cross/Shortcut; Stops here for most classes. Yes most have no choice but to cross, but the bat can bypass it, and it doesn't auto-choose this.
F) Shortcut; Stops here for most classes. Wolf can dive under, but doesn't auto-choose this. Most either have to fight the troll (usually smart if have the dps) or take on the basilisk.
G) Lie; only works for Goblin and again doesn't dive under for Wolf.
-> Blood Depot should honestly be changed. Instead of increasing the amount per tick, it should make the action go faster. When doing Wolf auto-mode, it rarely hits above rank 20 out of 50. Even when playing manually, I think the highest I saw it get was 45 / 50.
-> It really needs to pause the spirit countdown, between fights. I just can't read that fast to make travel decisions and so lose 3-4 spirit trying to read things quickly and then make a decision.
Bugs:
-> Sometimes based on options chosen, the attack rat / bat / imp disappears so you don't actually know how many are left to be killed before selecting an option.
-> Viscosity/Fluidity does not affect any options chosen in Chapter 2.
-> Guerilla does not affect any fights in Chapter 2, and as most of the fights can't be avoided until reaching a "fork", it should automatically do them, as I often lose 0.5 to 1.5 spirit taking the time to click on attack button.
-> Enemies with no armor to begin with, have no armor icons. Those that had armor reduced to 0 still shows the icon, but with no number over the icon. Even when you reduce both armors to 0.
-> If you have 0 demon souls, you can enter chapter 2 without paying anything, but if you have at least 1 DS, you have to spend it to enter.
-> If you buy Spirit Charm, its not applied for this run of chapter 2, only successive runs later.
-> You cannot buy or sell demon souls, unless you visit chapter 2. Not even at run end, when spending your SP.
-> I got Aspiration Band, which says +0.1 per level up. I think its a typo, because my current DS is 2.49. So, it might supposed to read as +0.01 per level up.
-> I got Demon Ring, upgraded to rank 3. I should earn +3 DS after a run of Chapter 2, but I only earn +1 DS. ... UNLESS you don't earn DS if you suffer a Mortal Wound, not sure if that is related to this or not.
-> Having multiple Demon Ring, Black Soul Gem, or such, doesn't give me more uses at the Soul Well, OR... makes it faster to generate the resources at the Soul Well.
-> I went to the Centipede area, to try to reach that chest there. I saw that they were hitting some good hits on Blood. Then when I was at about 500 max blood (down from like 1200 that I started with at the start of Chapter 2), I got a popup saying I received a mortal wound and then died. I thought that was only supposed to happen if I had my blood/sanity/spirit drained to 0 or less by an attack in Chapter 2.
EDIT:
-> Also, if you buy one of the optional upgrades (ie I am goblin) and turn it off, you can buy it again for 0 cost during that browser being opened. But when you close the browser, any of these that got disabled, you have to pay full SP cost to unlock them again. Really irritating for Straight Forward having to rebuy that one.
Feedback pt3:
-> On cycle 77. Upgraded almost everything to maximum (except for master time at 0/2000).
-> Cannot progress much in Chapter 2. Chose the "best" attack package of Bat + Dagger, and keep getting mortal wounds. I fought against Snappy, brought its armor down to 0 for magic attacks, so acid spit (at 12x crit multiplier) and magic dagger would do great damage, and it killed me at about 400 hp left, with maxxed out rat/bat populations and maxxed out absorption for blood/sanity.
-> I don't think I'm enjoying this at all anymore, so I'm going to stop playing now.
-> Also looking at the side screen showing off Snappy (on this itch page), how did you get Acid Spit to 39 damage? Mine is maxed out at 9 damage and 0 sanity. Alos how is your blood at 5000, when mine caps out around 1500?
-> Clearly I'm doing something wrong, not sure what, and with no documentation or helpful tips, I'm throwing in the towel and giving up.
-> If you want those suggestions, reply to one/all of these, and I'll keep them on my machine for a month or so, then delete them if I hear nothing.
Feedback pt4:
-> Decided to give it one more chance, and now at cycle 102. Everything is maxxed out except Master Time (41/200) and Foul Odor (71/100).
-> Maxxed out everything in Trinkets for Demon Souls. Unlocked both Vampire and Werewolf. Haven't figured out what Goblin unlocks. Not maxxed out Vampire or Werewolf yet.
-> Chapter 2 is very mazelike and I'm slowly starting to understand how it works and what class specific shortcuts skips what content.
-> Vampire's raise skeleton ability seems to be quite weak, or I'm using it wrong (ie I killed the skeletal mage and raised it).
-> Why does the Werewolf's Blood Boil have 30 ranks, but the Vampire's Intelligence only has 6 ranks, when sanity regen is far more valuable for most classes?
-> Not sure the point of the Vampire's Soul Magnet. By the time I could afford it I was making so much SP and DS from other effects, that I stopped draining wells, especially as the wells don't give much SP or DS.
-> Vampire's Mind Shield gets insanely expensive despite it only reducing sanity damage by 1 point... and there are plenty of foes that hit for 100+ base sanity damage already.
-> By becoming a Vampire, you lose the ability to sonic shout at Snappy, which is super unfair, as even with maxed out armor reduction effects, he still has 60/60 armor types.
-> Werewolf's Hurtle effect doesn't always seem to work. I'm at rank 10, and some journey options still require the same amount of time, as it did before I grabbed them.
-> Werewolf's Ancestral Dreams is very useful in Chapter 1 to progress back to the Chapter 2 start point, by grabbing specific objects, but in Chapter 2 its worse than useless. The reason is, any time you take a recall stone, any choices you make there, is what supercedes the dream path. So if you first went say Mind, got to the recall and then went Spirit, and say died by fighting the ogre, then the next Ancestral dream will not go Mind, but instead will go Spirit and take the same choices... even the one that might have gotten you killed. And thus attack the ogre again.
-> Werewolf's Ancestral Trance doesn't work. I still have all the story screens in Chapter 2 when its active.
-> Werewolf's Dismember is a choice you HAVE to make before attacking and once you do and retreat, you can't actually fully retreat. So you are locked into a death battle for whoever wins.
-> Many enemies hit for way too much blood damage and its totally unavoidable. Those that hit for spirit damage are downright broken (ie the Heretics).
-> Not having Sonic Wave for Bats, is a major loss of DPS. Whereas both Goblins and Wolves still get their DPS boost from the Spider's Blood.
-> There are way too many instances of where you have to pay a Spirit toll, that is your only viable option as fighting is too hard, but the spirit cost is so high that you'll probably die from Spirit loss if you take the option, BUT... you can't backtrack to avoid many of these tolls, so you are stuck doing them.
-> I have not been able to beat any of the Arena first wave foes. I have no idea how to get into the Runic Doors. There is several instances of "deadends" right before the Arena, that I'm sure are important, but tested with all three characters, and got nothing (plus vampire and werewolf). Snappy is too tough and Heretics keep turbo-blasting my spirit to oblivion. I may be approaching a situation of being stuck again.
-> Really wish more things we gain, were permanent unlocks. Like the centepede hole chest, is so hard to get, and yet the dagger is only slightly better than silver dagger. Or the amulet you buy from the dark elf.
-> We really need a way to dodge attacks or block them or something. So many attacks deal massive damage and I've yet to encounter a foe that uses the old timed system (foul odor that improves time of).
-> Some options for avoiding fights makes no sense. Like the Dusk Orc for Goblins. By the point that you can do Chapter 2, its worth it killing the Dusk Orc. Using his ability only gives you 500 xp.
Bugs:
-> You can redo certain actions when you do a recall. For example, you can befriend the Witch multiple times, each time earning you 1000 xp OR you can free the animals multiple times for 2000 xp each time.
-> These special events that grant flat xp, do not benefit from the Wikipedia effect. Its always that amount.
-> I've had some fights where an enemy deals spirit damage, but yet doesn't kill me. ie the Fairies in mushroom forest. I'm down to 13 spirit, they hit for 15 spirit, and yet I don't get spirited away.
-> I've had some fights where I had at least 500 remaining blood or sanity, and suffered a Mortal Wound or Insanity, despite the attack that killed me, didn't deal 500+ damage.
-> Both insanity and Mortal Wounds do not pay out the Demon Souls for end of life events. May not be a bug.
-> Chapter 2 daggers don't benefit from Goblin increased dagger damages.
-> You cannot redo a section, once you've recalled from it. So you can't say do Mind, go to blacksmith, recall, and do Mind again and enter the centipede hole. So no backtracking in that sense. Not sure if bug or not.
-> SP earned via Black Soul Gem, isn't tallied up in the end of run SP earned screen.
-> I think the Vampire's Spirit Burn is bugged. It only restores current sanity. But for the cost of 10 spirit, I'd only consider using it in an absolute emergency as it currently stands. If it increased max sanity as well as current sanity, then it would still be situational, but at least useful.
-> I think the area beyond Snappy is bugged. I barely beat Snappy with the Bat. Got to the grate, chose to use brute force. I followed it, and ended up at Witch. Was I supposed to dissolve my form instead?
Feedback pt5:
-> I feel quite stuck at the moment. There is probably paths I've not fully explored, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere.
-> Not sure what Master Time actually does. I'm at 63/200, and it doesn't seem to do anything.
-> I barely managed to defeat Snappy as Bat. Beyond it, I think this area is bugged... or this is where Chapter 3 starts. Regardless, either breaking the grate or reverting to form, just results in me ending up at the Witch.
-> I did manage to figure out how to get the Goblin unlock, Ogre. Which really seems like the worst of the three new classes.
-> I have not been able to do much of anything in the Soul section. The adventurers kick my ass and the heretics obliterate my spirit.
-> So in terms of weapons, Sword is best if you don't take Goblin and don't care to become a Vampire. If you take Goblin, Carapace dagger is best, but its a PITA to get through the centepede hole to grab it. Otherwise, silver dagger is for the bat. But oddly enough all of them are physical damage attacks.
-> I still haven't found any keys, or beat any of the Arena fights, despite heavily investing in Werewolf, Vampire and Ogre upgrades.
-> There are a lot of areas where I feel like I'm missing something. Like I found a big boulder that I blew up with goblin bombs, but then need 2500 blood, and the highest blood I've ever gotten to with various boosts found in places was 2300.
-> I still haven't managed to do stuff in the Snappy itch.io image on the main page, and get my Acid Spit to 39 damage; its still at 9.
-> I'm going to probably take a break for a few days, while I clean up my notes on each path, and see if there is an "ideal" path to follow that might get me powerful enough to take on first arena fight.
Feedback pt6:
-> I have given up and won't be playing this further.
-> I have almost all the Vampire, Werewolf, and Ogre upgrades, and I'm not progressing at all. Master time is at 90/200 and doesn't appear to do anything.
-> I cannot defeat any Arena fights, from any of the doors.
-> I cannot defeat the adventuring party, to unlock 4th class.
-> I cannot open any of the Runic Doors.
-> I've thoroughly explored each area as both Good/Evil, with each class, and I'm not seeing anything special.
-> I have no idea how to progress further. I checked online, found a post on a subreddit mentioning a few things that I've not uncovered. Something about Unholy Blood, a grate to find a Goblin Tinker, and a way that you can actually use the Meteoric Hammer.
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I wish you the best of luck with the project, but I am now so disgusted with the game, that I may not ever play it again. I spent so much time trying to find a way to progress and got nothing to show for it.
If you want my list of suggestions, I'll provide them, otherwise, I'm out of here.
Question: How does battle work? Just got introduced to combat somewhat recently, and it seems like I can't die because I attack things but they don't attack me back??? Is this a glitch or do I just need to wait to fight stronger enemies before I can actually get hurt?
Basic enemies just take time for you to whittle their HP down to win. Later you will encounter time-based enemies that requires you to defeat them within a time limit, or risk losing XP. And much further in the game, you will encounter enemies where combat damage will actually kill you (end cycle).
Good to know - thank you!
I FINALLY GOT THE HANG OF IT AND WAS DOING SO GOOD AND THEN MY GAME FROZE SO I REFRESHED THE PAGE AND NOW I LOST IT ALL!!! PLEASE TELL ME THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT BACK
Not unless you have done any previous backup. Try to follow the Reddit thread or Discord. You can mention at what stage you are stuck at, some players can share save codes of similar progress.
is chapter 3 coming soon ? :)
It is in progress, but not soon. I aim to deliver content with play time more than a couple of hours/days.
Maybe you could add a flashback/rerun upgrade that lets you do your run again the exact way you did last to help with grinding
Or even just an interest system that makes it where you earn more during your run if you save up just something to help with grinding up those points, the game is so fun but I am struggling
Where are you stuck with?
Have you reached chapter 2? There is an upgrade that lets you redo your run the exact way as the previous run.
I have not made it there yet just lots of grinding chapter 1 but knowing that I retract my statement, very very nice.
What is it called and how do i find it i made it to chapter 2 but i dont see that upgrade
Ancestral Dreams. When you unlock the Werewolf class, it will be one of the first few upgrades that you would want to go for.
Got it, and love it but I cant seem to find any of the other class's aside from werewolf any hints at least because the werewolf is amazing but it's upgrades alone aren't cutting it
Alright I said that then i managed to find the vampire but i only got it the once and now i cant manage to get it again without dying if there are more classes id love to know and a hint how to get them but i am struggling again
Ok, I am going to say that it is weird that in *Second chapter Spirit drains when no action is being performed (basically asking the player to always be ready to press Pause to actually think about what to do next) and especially so while doing stuff that states that it will consume Spirit
(+1 DS for 5 Spirit sound great until you realise that it really is 5+14 Spirit even with all Ooze time upgrades...)
Also a bug - "Carapace dagger" gets damage bonus from "Rupture" but not "Dagger Master" for some reason (and is slower than "Magic Dagger" even after being described as 'unnervingly light')
Yes, juggling with Spirit drain is one of the game mechanic that player will have to overcome, until they are able to unlock new upgrade/mechanic to bypass this hurdle.
If you are referring to soul wells, upgrades will help to increase the draw faster. You will be able to finish 10 draws under 1 second later.
With the speed upgrades later, all daggers will eventually be the same 0.5s speed.
Okok, and it not counting as a dagger for "Dagger Master" is also intentional?
Yes, that Goblin upgrade is for chapter 1 daggers. There are at least 5 daggers in total in the game.